The Democrats using the FBI to go after Trump

I imagine that following up the FBI raid of his house with this campaign ad really rattled them.

They’ve never forgiven Trump for not being guilty of stuff like they themselves were doing e.g rigging elections.

Merrick Garfinkelland going full retard to prevent Trump running in 2024

From a poster on GLP -

"If the search warrant affidavit was revealed to the public, the DOJ Lawfare tribe targeting Trump – within the DOJ National Security Division (DOJ-NSD), could not keep the benefit of selective leaks to their media stenographers. It would be more difficult to frame the narrative. [DOJ Filing pdf HERE]

On Thursday August 11th, Attorney General Merrick Garland said the justice department was committed to transparency in order to retain their integrity with the American public. On Monday August 15th, Attorney General Garland asked the court to keep the records sealed. The six-year pattern continues…."

Lol, Trump said:

The bigger problem is, what are they going to do with the 33 million pages of documents, many of which are classified, that President Obama took to Chicago?

Jim Hoft of The Gateway Pundit got in on the action too:

We know Obama kept classified documents when he left the White House because the NSC wouldn’t fulfill a request to turn over Susan Rice’s unmasking documents that were moved to Obama’s library.

The fact that they could not be easily obtained indicates they were classified.

The fact they were moved to Obama’s “library” and based on the above, indicates that the National Archives withheld information under their control during the Trump years which was likely a crime!

Which prompted this statement from the National Archives:

“The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) assumed exclusive legal and physical custody of Obama Presidential records when President Barack Obama left office in 2017, in accordance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA),” according to the statement from its public and media communications office.

“NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area, where they are maintained exclusively by NARA. Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration.”

But no worry. Jim Hoft will keep doubling down. His logic is good enough for people who have no clue how presidential documents are archived.

So who gets to unclassify President documents, the President, right?

The president can declassify documents, but I don’t think he can hide them.

It is fair to say that the legal issues around this aren’t exactly simple.

The entire thing’s a farce and you know it. Tried to get rid of Trump with the Mueller farce, a most ridiculous case of projection, and now this.

Where was the seizure of Hillary’s hard drive with the tens of thousands of emails she was ordered to preserve? Scrubbed, but no biggie, right?

I’m still trying to figure out why the establishment is so afraid of him.

Only thing that really makes any sense in my mind is because he doesn’t owe them anything and so they don’t have the same level of control over him as they do with all the career politicians and bureaucrats that they have bought and paid for over the years.

Not speaking as a Trump fan boy, I think I’ve made my position on him pretty clear in the past. Just seems strange how freaked out they are about him. And don’t tell me it’s because he poses a threat to me and the rest of the huddled masses. Seems the ones who feel threatened are the career bozos trying to maintain their corrupt institutions and lifestyles.

And that includes both sides.

My theory: Trump was used as a stand-in (for multiple reasons) during the 2016 election, but then he went rogue. Sanders had a lot of steam as a populist with a grassroots campaign. Not to mention, Sanders was changing the public perception of the dirty ‘S’ word (socialism). Obviously the Democrats AND Republicans couldn’t let that happen. The media played a major role in limiting Sanders coverage too. Remember the airing of the empty Trump podium instead of airing the scheduled Sanders speech? Trump got unlimited free media airtime. Hillary got a big public NO from the get-go despite what the media were saying, and the blatant corruption of the Democrats was generally pissing people off at every turn. The Democrats didn’t have a good candidate otherwise, nor did the Republicans, which seemed pretty suspect in itself. Defined by the media, Trump served as a capitalist populist (not a socialist one), a Republican (not of the overtly corrupt Democrats at the time), the crazy things he said in the media served to entertain and distract away ‘populist’ issues, and most of the issues that he latched onto really played to the ignorance of a large subset of the public. And he played as Hillary’s ‘more evil’ Republican counterpart. But then he started talking about ‘crooked Hillary’ and ‘fake news’, which didn’t seem to be in the script, and the Democrats went ape shit. And voters loved that it made the corrupt Democrats go ape shit. I remember so many people, both in person and online, saying that they would vote for Trump just to prevent Hillary from winning and just to spite the Democrats for their corruption. And it seems that is what happened. But at the same time, Hillary was having health issues (or just that unpopular to keep turning up in public). So take your pick on what ultimately happened there. But look at what did happen too. Trump served to distract away from a populist running on issues that lots of people were concerned about, with an empty promise of ‘Make America great again’ in trade.

Yep. For a long time now our elections here in the US can best be summed up by the Southpark episode on voting.

A choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

I guess that would depend on how you define socialism.

I think, as a society, we have an obligation to help the less fortunate among us, and I think government has a role in that. But I think that role should be limited, especially given governments track record on related matters. I’m OK with government using my tax dollars to provide funding to private organizations that help those people, but not so much when it comes to government taking control over businesses and industries.

One area where I might start thinking otherwise with respect to government involvement is public education. We do such a miserable job educating our children in this country when you consider how much money is spent.

I think all able bodied people should be expected to work. But being able bodied isn’t enough when you can’t read or write.

I think Trump wanting to “Drain the swamp” is what drove the establishment bat shit crazy. Whether he was serious about that, or even able to do it, we’ll never know. But that fact remains that there’s so much money involved with the swamp, and so many powerful people dependent on it, once you start screwing around with that, you’re setting yourself up for a lot of what we saw.

Socialism is a big, hairy topic. I mean, the surrounding context of how societies function today, how effective and efficient the systems are, and the levels of corruption that permeate everything. But since you brought up education specifically, I’ll say that I have a hard time believing that the public education system got this bad without some heavy steering to make it so.

A super obvious example is the narratives taught in history which essentially distort and hide much of how modern times came to be and how we might look at navigating the future. Not to mention that historians discover new information about the past as time goes on, which should require updating mainstream history and what is being taught in public schools. And history is taught as buckets of facts, sterilized of competing versions and ongoing debates. And history has been taught this way in public schools since forever. And it’s a big problem, if educating is the real goal. But it seems that it is not. Rather, it seems to be more about acclimating young people to the system and serving it.

I also think that many more people likely see these problems in the teaching of history than the similar problems in teaching of math and science, likely because teaching history is based in written language and storytelling, which makes the communication of distortions and exclusions more common. But math and science also have histories which can tell us about how modern times came to be and where we might go. And how these subjects are taught also has distortions and sterilizations (of different forms) which don’t serve to educate but rather, to acclimate to the system.

And so as you mentioned, our public education system is ineffective and inefficient at the goal of educating. Well, why is that? Are kids being taught to think and learn on their own, or are they being taught to acclimate and exhaust themselves with the work of retaining ‘facts’?

Don’t discount parents lack of involvement in our current educational system mess. All the recent uproar over CRT is an example of that. I don’t think they just started teaching that stuff during the pandemic. It’s just that parents were stuck in their homes and overheard what was going when their kids were online with their schools.

But I think that goes to the larger issue of what’s wrong with America today, and that being the marginalization of families.

We should take a lesson from the lumber industry. The only way the lumber industry can survive is by insuring they have lots of healthy trees growing for future harvesting. The same holds true for societies. The only way a society survives long term is insuring they have healthy future generations ready to take over when their time comes.

We should be promoting the virtue and value of family life. I don’t care what the makeup of the family is, as long as they are providing healthy, nurturing environments for future generations.

Yea, I definitely should have included that. But to me the establishment’s reaction seemed to be about the combination of things that Trump said. He was pointing out major corruption in politics. He was pointing out how the media lies to serve the establishment. He was at times looking to avoid involvement in war and instead talking to world leaders. He was generally saying things on a regular basis which poked holes in the big machine. And no doubt, lots of people loved seeing that for a change, especially given how much corruption had ramped up in 2016.

I don’t disagree. One aspect of that relative to education is the change from 1 parent working to financially support a family to both parents having to work. And working longer hours. It makes it much harder for parents to have time to get involved with their kid’s education.

I have my first on the way, and I have been thinking about this a lot lately. I would be all up for being the sole worker in the household if we can swing it, so that our kid could get care from her mom and involvement in education. Maybe even partial or full homeschooling.

I’m not going to totally disagree with you there brain, but I will say that I spent a lot of time single parenting my daughter back in the late 80’s and early 90’s but I always found time to check her homework, look through her school books, attend school meetings, etc.

I agree that having a parent home full time is the ideal situation, depending on the parent of course. But even working single parents or working couples can still find the time to check up on what their kids are being taught and how they are doing. It’s all about priorities.

But we’re getting off topic here.

Let’s get back to bitchin about the Democrats. That’s a lot more fun. :grinning:

Sounds like a tough gig being a single parent. Good on you. Yea, I remember my parents coming home exhausted, taking care of everything that needed taking care of, tending to 5 kids (holy fuck!), and helping out with homework when needed.

I’m all up for bitching about the Republicans too. But yea, the Dems have been especially atrocious.

Absolutely, I’m all for equal opportunity bitching.

“The Democrats using the FBI”


If Drumpf hadn’t stolen classified papers the raid wouldn’t have been necessary.